There are different divisions in the USPHL, so it would depend. "Typically" the Nahl is an equal pace as USHL, is more physical, older in age, has better goaltending, but is below the Ushl in puck control and puck skills. There are people who believe all the BEST kids should be in X or Y league. Luke_Fury_6. From a player personnel guy's, or a scouts', position how do they quantify numbers of people they barely see or maybe not see at all? If the USPHL was on par as some teams claim to be, the Hitmen should have won that game. In non traditional markets the USP3 often took the place of non existent AAA programs and provided a value to local players. Are they playing at the Tier II level? Caps are you in canada? They continue to market their ability to move players to the NAHL. Money, rage, politics petty differences. 41 players are in the NAHL this year after playing in Canadian leagues last season. Pittsburgh opens season 1-0-1 versus Columbus. What caliber is the play on par with? Currently, USA Hockey oversees four junior leagues, including the United States Hockey League . By Joshua Boyd / USPHL.com 11/08/2021, 2:30pm EST. Do not assume that just because one team is in one league or another, that the leagues results are representative of each teams ability. If he was an open camp invite and did not have Tier II interest before going to the USHL camp, you will need some very strong references and connections to get serious consideration at the Tier II level. I do take issue with Tier III teams trying to say they can do just as good a job at promoting players as Tier II or the USHL because the numbers do not reflect that claim. That'd be great! Feet facing the right direction, hip movement in transition skating, foot speed and placement when skating, body position, body control, and so many other little items beyond can the player skate shoot and score. There is a wide range in quality of play - and quality of organizations - throughout the NA3HL, which has 35 teams scattered around the country, but is concentrated mostly in the Midwest. Last Team: Steele County Blades - USPHL Premier. The United States Premier Hockey League will span the entire continental United States in 2020-21. Is there much else? You decide….. Next week we will publish our top twenty all inclusive list covering all levels of junior hockey. The Maritimes, OJHL, and Manitoba are also very good though each has its own style as well. The USPHL has some very good players but they could not compete on a regular basis with the NAHL. Like a cockroach it will survive a nuclear winter. It wasn’t easy, based on how often protected lists and rosters change. As a newcomer to junior hockey with a young son I appreciate all of it. The league and all of its teams are fully united and dedicated to the mission of player development and advancement to college hockey. The NCDC had 18 players from Canadian leagues last season. Copyright © 2017 FinishYourCheck.com The numbers would also support that AAA, High School, and Prep School are clearly the best routes to Tier II. Its very good, but the USHL has more depth. The SIJHL beat up on the NOJHL in their cross over series last year. What I can tell you is this with great certainty. Twenty-six players NA3HL players received NAHL tenders for the 2018-19 season and about 70 NA3HL players committed to NCAA Division III schools for 2019-20. The perceived pedigree value of the AAA players going into those leagues is higher than Tier III players. The USPHL Chicago Showcase will begin in less than one week, as every team from three USPHL Premier divisions - the Midwest West, Midwest East, and Great Lakes - and one additional team, the Northern Colorado Eagles, come together for four days of hockey between Thursday, Dec. 16, and Sunday, Dec. 19. What does that say about the state of hockey in Canada? The numbers support the argument that the USPHL is a better path to Tier II than the NA3HL. USPHL 2020-2021 Western Expansion. Every league puts out its propaganda to make Tier III look great. It did provide value for players though and could be making a move toward better structure with the EHL move. There are some Tier III teams that could compete with some of the less talented Tier II teams, but in the end the Tier II teams do have more depth in talent and would carry the day. "We need to refocus on leadership as a value important to our American republic. The book is a small effort in restarting the dialogue to stimulate the effort to produce more and better leadership on the ice and off. I've seen a guy like talented kid like Landon Smith struggle in the USHL and go up to the BCHL and light the scoresheet up. The reason I have heard is that the quality of play leaguewide has become superior in the USPHL. The numbers support the argument that the USPHL is a better path to Tier II than the NA3HL. The volume of  players moving on to NCAA D-3 from the league says a lot. The NA3HL was also far too concerned about what the other Tier III leagues were doing when it came to politics. Junior hockey for most players is a way . The five competitors that competed in the Royal Bank Cup included the host Vernon Vipers, the winners of the Fred Page Cup, Dudley Hewitt Cup, and the top two teams from the Western Canada Cup. The USPHL brand is more valuable IMO. Founded in 2012, the United States Premier Hockey League (USPHL) is comprised of 170 teams and operates in 17 of the 50 United States ranging from North to South to the Midwest and Pacific. 3) 122 different players were called up to practice with NAHL teams during the 2018-19 season. Kwey, I am glad you did that rating. For instance 125 points in a season in the Q might work out to 100 or 90 in the WHL. Those marketing activities though are not indicative of the amount of players who actually end up playing in the NAHL from the NA3HL. I am sure that I will get some great feedback and answers. The USPHL Premier proves every year is still one of the top development leagues in North America. Remember, Andrew Desjardins of the Sharks started in the Central Hockey League. The United States Premier Hockey League (USPHL) is an American ice hockey league. Happy Birthday: Nicklas Danielsson (37 yrs) and 1 026 more players. Doesnt matter they all agree to disagree on about everything. Or is it defined by the success of those players moving to a higher level? The BCHL really can be tough to measure because of where the players come from. You will find that teams from 19th through 35th, or so, can hang, too. Bottom line is the USHL and Tier II always produce more NCAA players and they always will. There is substantial parity across jr hockey, more so when the conversations about the east come up in large part because many of the best players in the country have roots in the east. For instance, the Minnesota Junior Hockey League, with its compact geographic footprint in the Minnesota Division, that's a great option for a player to play and go to college part-time for two or three years before heading on to NCAA Division III or a respectable ACHA program. To note, the USHL only allows two tenders, and if a team uses one, they lose a 1st round draft pick. Now the fun begins. Hey ML if you were to ask me to rate and/or compare and contrast the Colonial Hockey League, IHL 2, CHL, AAHL and ECHL I think I could do so pretty well. Do you either of you think in the future that with the NAHL having 25+ teams that either the USPHL or the EHL being smaller can surpass the NAHL has being the stronger league? 2014 Royal Bank Cup was the 44th Junior "A" ice hockey National Championship for the Canadian Junior Hockey League. Read More. Because AAA is the recruiting ground, the USPHL started their own AAA program. Simply put, it would be better off being a Midget AAA league at the Tier II level. What happens for a handful of players that began in Tier III, is not representative of the results that the vast majority of players will have. Parents make these decisions. One of the issues they are grappling with is the pay to play. Simply the facts that you, the people trying to make educated and informed purchasing decisions need. When our company speaks to players, we never compare leagues. The hockey itself is very good, but it's best to use the league as a jumping off point if you cant make it directly to the NAHL and I'd avoid it if it's your age-out year. There are maybe 4 USPHL teams that would be competitive in the NAHL. ........By the way Orland Park had a big Pee Wee tournament. Talent was not deep, but a few players showed potential. Unless you're playing for the Hitmen, Junior Bruins, or Islanders Hockey Club (not the Jr. Islanders), you aren't going to get all that much exposure. The only time I see a Tier II player going the Tier III route is when it either involves a scholarship, or the family has enough money to not care about the fee and wants to keep the player at home. Even the bottom teams have talent that is better than Tier III, just no depth. A few players did move up, and more look to have moved up since the seasons end. The National Collegiate Development Conference is a 13-team tuition-free junior hockey league entirely located in the Northeastern United States. This division will change for next season, and the addition of EHL teams will likely bolster the promotion numbers. The USPHL (Primier the only division worth talking about) is composed of only 4 teams that are honestly worth a damn. Remember that these are the NCDC’s and the NAHL’s own reported numbers. Great Britain WJC U20-D2A Championships Roster Features Three Current USPHL Players. Definitely. NAHL ranked #1 again by The Junior Hockey News. The movement of EHL teams to the USPHL IS NOT taken into account. There is a subjective nature to ranking as well, we all have favorites. As Parker mentions some real informative and helpful posts, ML. It is a matter of having the right information to make the right decisions. This book is right up to date and will be a handy reference guide for years to come. Rating The Junior Hockey Leagues - 2021 Tier III Edition. Player movement up was graded on the league the players played in for the 2016-2017 season and not where their teams will play in 2017-2018. Trade Alert: Sam Ryan has been traded to the Elmira Junior Enforcers for Armen Arabyan. As most can agree both the USPHL and NA3HL have done plenty of great things to get themselves to the top of the tier 3 spectrum. Those games would would see the ice tilt heavily toward the NAHL in the middle of the second, and slide away. Other players who out of the gate are not top guys for the NAHL or USPHL go east for exposure ( which is better on a consistent live basis) and reaches more institutions. And the same for goalies in those league too. The draft results, and player signings in the NAHL prove the point. IMO a better comparison to the OHL is the NCAA, not the USHL. @2021 - TheJuniorHockeyNes.com. One could infer that the NOJHL is the top league because they have the top team and another team near the top. GMHL The NA3HL is not even close to being as good as the EHL or USPHL Premier when looking at all leagues as a whole. 62 Players from High School or Prep School are on NAHL rosters. The EHL is actually better than the USPHL right now as far as depth of talent and upside of younger players is concerned. What is the difference between a 7-9 kid, and top 6 in the NA? http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Royal_Bank_Cup. When a league is comprised of players that were cut from Midget AAA teams, it is not a good league. I can only hope this helps many of you during this week of players being cut from Tier II teams. With that being said I believe the biggest thing to look for is commitments. The NA3HL level of play for these reasons is substandard. The Greater Metro Hockey League is no longer the worst league in North America. SIJHL (really only on par with Tier III, in my opinion), Now, to note, in my opinion, 6 through 10 are very close to each other (for the most part). The USPHL is welcoming the Fresno Monsters , San Diego Sabers , Anaheim Avalanche , Utah Outliers , Southern Oregon Spartans , Las Vegas Thunderbirds , Pueblo Bulls, Northern Colorado Eagles, and Ogden Mustangs. Also, what do you guys and the USHL, BCHL, NCAA and scouts consider the USPHL and EHL, Tier II? The Pittsburgh Vengeance are a non-sanctioned junior ice hockey team and are members of the Great Lakes Conference in the United States Premier Hockey League's Premier Division. The NAPHL and Colorado Springs Tigers grad had six multi-point games during the month and recorded at least a point in all nine games. This book provides fresh insights on how social innovations are utilized as strategies to make sport more accessible and inclusive. Travel may stay the same, but you'd be seeing a greater variation of teams. Sure at the drafts, and signing free agents there is competition, but there is also a lot of information sharing that happens long before that. The EHL, NOJHL (US leagues) and the CCHL, NOJHL and AJHL (Canadian leagues) are pay to play leagues? There is SO much that goes into picking a junior team, though, and academic goals can factor in, too. The AJHL is also very good, though different in style to some of the other leagues when it comes to general comparisons, a very physical yet skilled league. It says the focus is on development. Contracts - USPHL/NCDC and EHL Very few Tier III guys move up each year, and very few get drafted, unless they are the very best players or very good and very young. [1], The tournament was hosted by the Vernon Vipers of Vernon, British Columbia. It is individual teams that move players on to the next level. They are very good. Avoid at all costs. If you then factor in how many players move up to Major Junior its hard to argue the quality of play in any Canadian Tier II league. If they use two, they lose both a 1st and 2nd round draft choice in their league draft. The numbers would also support that AAA, High School, and Prep School are clearly the best routes to Tier II. What does it say about the level of play in those leagues? There are maybe 4 USPHL teams that would be competitive in the NAHL. The Junior Hockey News is the world wide leader in accurate, truthful, unbiased news reporting in Junior Hockey. If you add in CIS (Canadian College) commits, the numbers of college bound athletes coming out of those leagues is amazing. but why gamble when as a player you a life expectancy of 100-140 games in JRs. Recent Headlines. How the Premier is used to develop players for the new NCDC will be a critical success factor moving forward. In many cases its apples and pineapples. The 5'10/160 lbs. While the higher level programs get a lot of attention, the Mid West teams within the Elite division are some of the most talent rich organizations in the country. Those numbers that are publicly available to each and every player and parent 24 hours a day during the season. The movement of NA3AHL teams moving to the EHL IS NOT taken into account. One factor may be if you have relatives in a certain place where you can stay for free. They represent the NOJHL. The USPHL Chicago Showcase will begin in less than one week, as every team from three USPHL Premier divisions - the Midwest West, Midwest East, and Great Lakes - and one additional team, the Northern Colorado Eagles, come together for four days of hockey between Thursday, Dec. 16, and Sunday, Dec. 19. It all starts at the top with league management being completely incompetent. What might have worked for someone else is not likely to work for you. Great post Ric. Thank you for responding to this fella, ML... As always you point folks in the right direction and clear up a lot of confusion. Interesting to look at. Teams and divisions prefer different types of players so a lot of it depends on the type of player you/your son is. USPHL Jr Reign announce Braden Bystrom as Southern Alberta Scout. Player opportunity and determining where an individual players best opportunity may be is not a matter of comparing leagues and bouncing from camp to camp to camp. Learn more about our teams! Players in the USPHL are 8 to 21 years of age. Jr96Dad, February 12, 2014 in North American Hockey League. I personally do not see any league that is pay to play ever rivaling a free to play league. Now they have moved on to the EHL for the coming season. Look for those teams that have a history of moving players on. Both leagues reported numbers simply support that conclusion and can not be disputed. Lots to question sometimes, and I have had kids get cut from the NAHL and go to the BCHL and do very well. All Right Reserved. Evan West joins the Jamestown Rebels of the NAHL. If you would like some more specific info, on a specific team message me and I will provide what I can. They are model franchise for the league when it comes to player promotion. BCHL Vernon Vipers were host. This league was for this season alone, part of the NAHL family. Thank you so much for all of the in depth answers and passionate responses you have given in this thread. You could even attend tryouts for a USPHL team or EHL team. The real difference is that coach z committed a top 6 spot to those kids, and those kids start the year with the benefit of the doubt. The Carelton Place Canadians run a program that is second to none and rivals any USHL or NCAA program in how its structured. Price varies wildly by team but it's usually not cheap. I could in general terms rate leagues, but I don't like doing so because I could be placing a very high end organization in a lower position than they deserve because of the league they are in. Not seeing the BCHL I'd quantify anybodies numbers up there with the experience I had watching USHL guys I've seen go up there and have offensive success. In Canada, there are multiple levels of Junior hockey including Major Junior, Junior A, B, C and even D. Scouts are not attending this leagues games or events unless paid to do so. Vengeance bounce back in a big way with a sweep of Lake Erie. The size of the league as in number of teams was also taken into account for . Your posts in this thread are helpful, very much so and appreciated. The EHL is actually better than the USPHL right now as far as depth of talent and upside of younger players is concerned. native of Colorado Springs, CO, tied for the NA3HL scoring lead during the month with 25 points (2 goals, 23 assists) in just nine games played. The Premier division continued to do a great job of moving players on to all levels of College Hockey. This is likely just a rumor started by USPHL people who are hopping to recruit some NAHL 3rd and 4th liners next year. There are plenty of different facets that go into whether a league is good or not. Where will your league fit in? GB Jr Gamblers, Cleveland Barons, Chicago Fury and the Colorado Thunderbirds (all feeders of the USHL) are some I saw as I was leaving the Mite Tournament. Your choice needs to be based on facts. This got me to thinking a bit. A league does not get a player to college, the league initials mean nothing. Reign teams up with United Way to help empower the Inland Empire community. There are 10 "Tier II" or Junior A leagues in Canada, with 128 teams. What many probably don't understand is how scouts get along and work together. 2. Covering all aspects of the coach's role, "Coaching Hockey Successfully" features important drills, skills, and strategies and addresses fundamentals such as developing a philosophy. 60 photos. Founded in 2012, the USPHL has grown to over 60 organizations from across the United States fielding teams in the National Collegiate Development Conference (NCDC), Premier, Elite, EHF, 18U, 16U, 15U, and High Performance youth divisions. The average American player attempting to play in a Canadian Junior League spent and average of $4,000 attending camps. Nahl has some great clubs and some you want to stay away from - like every league out there. While being seen by many as a lower level league, younger players continued to make the jump to higher levels. 4) There are currently 116 NA3HL players from this . Players to watch, Dylan Chanter: http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=123669, Brett Boehm: http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=119262, Evan Peterson: http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=212883, Andy Sturtz, 2nd round pick of Tri City (USA) : http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=130957. The Premier division continued to do a great job of moving players on to all levels of College Hockey. The NCDC had 32 players from High School or Prep School. BCHL (only because of some high-end talent, the bottom end of the BCHL is no better than the bottom end of the NAHL), 3. Unlike Canada, The United States uses "Tiers" to discern competition level in it's Junior Hockey system. It is the details of the game that separate the players. Again, there can be no disputing these facts based upon each leagues rosters. The NAHL has done a great job of promoting themselves and is increasing their NCAA commits each year. Subscribe to our Newsletter for more information. Yes. The 5'10/160 lbs. 19. The top 6 will have double the production, and 1/3 more ice by the end of the year, will have had more exposure, promotion and development. Last added: Timofei Khazov. I really don't like to compare leagues as I said earlier. The real defining number that jumped out at me was not that the NCDC used three times the amount of Tier III players in their development model. Rparkerguy, some may say the BCHL is as good as the USHL but it is not. Congratulations. USPHL - Premier. I'm at the Steel game yesterday standing with a guy who played a decade in the old IHL and he played a couple years in the QMJHL. The numbers would also support that AAA, High School, and Prep School are clearly the best routes to Tier II. Are the junior leagues you mentioned that much harder to do so than the above pro league, save for the USHL-OHL comparison? Contracts - USPHL/NCDC and EHL Have a buddy whose kid is considering the CCHL with the very team you have mentioned. Are they one of the best in the country? USPHL vs. NA3HL. Could it be defined by the way Tier II views and uses Tier III in their development model? Across the Androscoggin River in Auburn, Twin City Thunder (USPHL) co-owner Dan Hodge has to have concerns that the Nordiques will keep Lewiston hockey dollars from crossing the Longley Bridge, and he should be. 2) 25 NA3HL players were called up and played in at least one NAHL game during the 2018-19 last season. Just because I know people are dying for someone to bite on this, I'll bite with some qualifications. NAPHL enters final day of T1ER event in Pittsburgh. With that being said I believe the biggest thing to look for is commitments. 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The NAPHL and Colorado Springs Tigers grad had six multi-point games during the month and recorded at least a point in all nine games. cherokeehockey.com. The USPHL has some very good players but they could not compete on a regular basis with the NAHL. If you hear a kid is a cancer, you let your friends know so they don't look bad. 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